Trump needs to end H1-Bs. He will lose the youth vote if he betrays them for his corporate donors. George HW Bush opened the floodgates in 1991. Second generation Indian-Americans are heavily leftist. Many subversion agents received the Soros Fellowship for New Americans, which has given ~1,000 full scholarships to immigrants and children of immigrants over the past decade. Winners include:
Vivek Ramaswamy
Vivek Murthy: Obama and Biden's Surgeon General
Sundeep Iyer: NJ Attorney General's lawyer who admitted to the Supreme Court this week that they targeted a Christian pregnancy center even though it had received no complaints
Anyways even if H1B is ended, we shouldn't be racist towards our Indian-American neighbors. As Matt states, they are quite high-IQ, many are good citizens.
One of the most insidious and unrecognized issues is how demoralizing to a team is the presence of Indians who can barely speak English. The burden of understanding their incoherent mumbling falls to the native (American) speaker to interpret. Concepts that can be expressed in a matter minutes, now take huge frustrating blocks of time. This frustration mounts and actually exacts a physical toll the competent, who over time can only dream of quitting. Mumbling Indians can also mask their technical incompetence by making their status reports incomprehensible to managers. I've seen this so many times where managers don't hold their bungling accountable because the task of communicating is so painful and onerous. It's just easier to let it slide. And it does slide.
I'm at the point now where even hearing the accent raises my anxiety. Call me what you want, but I'm tired of hearing them in a so-called Western country.
Brandon that is difference anxiety. We all have that. Nothing particular to one country. But when we sort of 'strain' it also helps us learn. I agree with you, that our anxiety is not a moral failure, nor does it justify hostility toward people.
The most talented and effective engineers usually white and from the upper midwest. German ancestry is most likely what is at play. IQ is important, but there are important personality characteristics: perseverance, diligence and accountability.
Who is Trump listening to? Elon? His failure to address this decisively will doom the country forever. I'm hoping Trump's recent Somali comments are an opening the door to deportation as a penalty for fraud.
I work with these Indian imports here in the USA. Mining and oil industry. They are as mediocre as any DEI hire. Their claims on experience are nothing short of absurd - e.g., I have one guy who insists he was responsible for getting 8,000 shale wells drilled in West Texas. They buy jobs and promotions. Their caste system works by devolving work down to the lowest level smart Indian who gets stuck with all the work but because of culture has no choice but deliver. My guess is that only about 1 in 4 does any actual work or figuring things out, they are always on the hunt for a guy to do the work for them.
This is harsh. However, as a now-retired former tech worker, I can think of lots of examples that fit what the author is claiming. One of my last opportunities before I retired was a gig with Apple Computer where I was going to replace an entire team in India so the could fire them and train a new team.
Yeah, ONE American was going to replace an entire team in India.
The job evaporated while I was on my way to Cupertino.
I have read only parts of some of your posts and realized that you are not interested in conversation. Your idea is to bully and create fear and of course misunderstandings.
First, your writing is not journalistic. Several of your posts were forwarded. Are you standing by them? Are you predicting violence?
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In 2026, Indian hatred will hit a boiling point in the form of anti-Indian attacks. Indians will be racially singled out for violence, Indian-owned businesses will be vandalized, Hindu temples will be hit with bombings and mass shootings: The perpetrators will be black, Latino, or Pakistani, not white, which will lead the media to cover up hate crimes they would otherwise 3 3 eagerly blame on MAGA and Trump, like how the "anti-Asian" hate crimes at the beginning of 3 COVID were shushed up when it was discovered 3 that blacks, not whites, were assaulting Asians. 1 S As someone who wants peace in America, | 3 deplore all violence; and there is only one way 3 to stop it. For their own safety, we must DEI: 3 J Deport Every Indian: 4.05 26 Dec 25 23.7K Views
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In addition, remember it was not just Indians who were thrown out of Zimbabwe; what is happening in South Africa is equally wrong. Especially considering that Native Americans were pushed aside. Yes, there were what you call ‘founding fathers’, but do not forget the unpaid labor provided by Africans, who still struggle to be accepted as Americans.
By the way, Indians who left other countries ended up being Kash Patel and Rishi Sunak. Indians. You can Google that, even Google’s CEO is an Indian.
I am not an economist but one simple thing you forget when Indians (and possibly some other countries and people from other non-western countries) come to study and work in the US, they are coming without any loans because their countries pay for their education. The result is a win-win for the US.
Are there exceptions? Sure.
Furthermore, the world is interconnected. Countries like India could respond to discriminatory policies or rhetoric against their citizens, which would have economic and diplomatic consequences. Hatred against one group does not make a nation stronger—it weakens its moral and social foundation. Imagine now if India alone puts a ban on American products. Easy for India. Some of us grew up without Coke or Pepsi because we had our own drinks, after Coke had to leave. Don’t play with fire just because of your own hatred against a people who have done well for themselves, while contributing to the US economy.
Want to help the US? Work on developing small town America. Sad to see it dying --which is where culture and belonging can be preserved. Seeing it slowly collapse was painful.
Wish you well. Hope you will move away from the hatred brewing in you. Not good for you or for the US, even if you are able to remove a few thousand Indians or stop them from coming to the US. Even then it is a small and temporary win. For these things are worked out over centuries. Long after you and I are gone from this planet.
May WISDOM win over the hate that is guiding you now.
I've been banging on (21 posts) on the Indian H1-B and all of other alphabet visas for over a year, spurred on by your excellent work. Thank you for what you do.
As a 35-year veteran software engineer I can testify truthfully that most of these 'best and brightest' can't find their own ass with a map and a flashlight. I made a *very* good living as a Pro from Dover at Indian-run companies, because *somebody* competent was needed to clean up the aftermath after these 'best and brightest' did their thing.
Keep banging the drum. I'm starting to think the 283 BILLION dollar a year industry of H1-Bs is immune to anything, including Trump. I feel so sorry for all the poor Gen-Z folks who were told to 'learn to code' and then can't even get an interview because they're not a pajeet.
Matt, while I prepare a comment for another of your posts. This one is clear. It is not about H1 B but Indians. Just acknowledge that. Also, the language here is not journalistic and the so called research is biased and misleading. As some of other commentators are mentioning about 'accents' these are difference anxieties. 'Indians are dumber' is simply putting out your own bias and it is not journalism. Do your research properly and slash the H1 B program, please. But make sure your language is not questionable and if a serious researcher comes, that they can arrive at the same conclusion that you do. That is research. Just a friendly advice.
This article comes at a relevant time, making me reflect if judging entire populations based on perceived group IQ alines with universal human rights principles.
So, you are saying that someone who used a "stand in" for the online interviews shows up at work without having gone through the series of in-person interviews that everyone in the last stage of hiring has to go through? I find that hard to believe. Unless every single hiring manager is both Indian and gets a kickback, which I also find hard to believe. Systematic hiring of incompetents violates economic common sense. If someone is a poor fit, be it because they cannot communicate clearly, or cannot do their job competently, the company will lose money.
I’ve witnessed a ton of shenanigans on interviews with these off shore farms. People trying to lip sync because they can speak English, also have seen people not letting their mouth on video because they were not speaking. Not all companies do three rounds of interviews though. Also the biggest portion of this problem are middle and lower level managers just going with the flow. They simply don’t care and just have a position to fill so they don’t lose funding.
Okay, in an off shore farm, it matters little whether English competency is excellent, since they collaborate locally, and mostly communicate with the client in writing. They can use AI to correct bad grammar. Not that I am okay with offshoring jobs, but it is clear that from an employer's perspective the requirements are different. When using an off shore farm, they want low-stakes work done cheap, and cheap matters more than quality. But if I am not mistaken, the author was referring to Indian H1B workers who work in the US alongside non-Indians. In that setting, I cannot believe that poor communication skills could be acceptable, or that there would be this type of sloppy interviewing. I hear many stories of endless rounds of interviews where no hiring happens, so I assumed employers are extra picky, hence my disbelief.
All of the scenarios I’ve witnessed were about getting off shore workers that were trying to get an H1b, and I know that some of these are state side, because I’ve interviewed them. Outside of FAANG most large companies work this way. H1bs that are poorer at English usually just work along side people they can communicate with. Also it’s a myth that h1b’s are cheap labor for companies using them. That’s not true. Usually they pay a firm what they would pay an American maybe even slightly more, but the h1 employee gets probably 25-50% if they are lucky. I’ve never seen an h1b that cost less, they were paid less, but companies using them as fodder aren’t doing it for cost. For h1b’s that are salaried they get paid the same going rate. This goes on all the time on shore in nearly any large company in the US. Most of the companies use these firms because they can quickly replace positions. It’s business, they have relationships with outsourcing firms the same way the do with other vendors. And there’s a nearly endless supply of people wanting to take the role. Not all roles are filled this way for sure but from my experience this is the norm.
Trump needs to end H1-Bs. He will lose the youth vote if he betrays them for his corporate donors. George HW Bush opened the floodgates in 1991. Second generation Indian-Americans are heavily leftist. Many subversion agents received the Soros Fellowship for New Americans, which has given ~1,000 full scholarships to immigrants and children of immigrants over the past decade. Winners include:
Vivek Ramaswamy
Vivek Murthy: Obama and Biden's Surgeon General
Sundeep Iyer: NJ Attorney General's lawyer who admitted to the Supreme Court this week that they targeted a Christian pregnancy center even though it had received no complaints
I've worked with H-1B Indians, and I was unimpressed.
Everything H-1B is a scam. It's all about a UN lead migration program.
H-1B is cover for, "Import as many people from the third world as you can!"
It's literally no more complicated than that. Everything else is a lie, disguised as nuance.
https://ogre.substack.com/p/the-great-distraction-or-reset-originally
Is Vivek Ramaswamy "heavily leftist"?
Anyways even if H1B is ended, we shouldn't be racist towards our Indian-American neighbors. As Matt states, they are quite high-IQ, many are good citizens.
One of the most insidious and unrecognized issues is how demoralizing to a team is the presence of Indians who can barely speak English. The burden of understanding their incoherent mumbling falls to the native (American) speaker to interpret. Concepts that can be expressed in a matter minutes, now take huge frustrating blocks of time. This frustration mounts and actually exacts a physical toll the competent, who over time can only dream of quitting. Mumbling Indians can also mask their technical incompetence by making their status reports incomprehensible to managers. I've seen this so many times where managers don't hold their bungling accountable because the task of communicating is so painful and onerous. It's just easier to let it slide. And it does slide.
I'm at the point now where even hearing the accent raises my anxiety. Call me what you want, but I'm tired of hearing them in a so-called Western country.
Brandon that is difference anxiety. We all have that. Nothing particular to one country. But when we sort of 'strain' it also helps us learn. I agree with you, that our anxiety is not a moral failure, nor does it justify hostility toward people.
You're 100% spot on.
Baffle them with bullshit.
Everyone likes to believe that everyone else is not trying to take advantage of them.
When it comes to third worlders -- they're always trying to take advantage of you -- until you can reliably prove that they're not.
This should always be the default position. No "suicidal empathy." Cold logic.
The most talented and effective engineers usually white and from the upper midwest. German ancestry is most likely what is at play. IQ is important, but there are important personality characteristics: perseverance, diligence and accountability.
Pajeets can't code for shit, only really white and oriental men can while everyone else sucks at it.
Who is Trump listening to? Elon? His failure to address this decisively will doom the country forever. I'm hoping Trump's recent Somali comments are an opening the door to deportation as a penalty for fraud.
I work with these Indian imports here in the USA. Mining and oil industry. They are as mediocre as any DEI hire. Their claims on experience are nothing short of absurd - e.g., I have one guy who insists he was responsible for getting 8,000 shale wells drilled in West Texas. They buy jobs and promotions. Their caste system works by devolving work down to the lowest level smart Indian who gets stuck with all the work but because of culture has no choice but deliver. My guess is that only about 1 in 4 does any actual work or figuring things out, they are always on the hunt for a guy to do the work for them.
They are a repulsive race.
This is harsh. However, as a now-retired former tech worker, I can think of lots of examples that fit what the author is claiming. One of my last opportunities before I retired was a gig with Apple Computer where I was going to replace an entire team in India so the could fire them and train a new team.
Yeah, ONE American was going to replace an entire team in India.
The job evaporated while I was on my way to Cupertino.
Complacent boomers should be tied to bamboo chairs and forced to read this . . . just kidding . . . sort of.
Dear Matt,
I have read only parts of some of your posts and realized that you are not interested in conversation. Your idea is to bully and create fear and of course misunderstandings.
First, your writing is not journalistic. Several of your posts were forwarded. Are you standing by them? Are you predicting violence?
Matt Forney @mattforney
Subscribe
In 2026, Indian hatred will hit a boiling point in the form of anti-Indian attacks. Indians will be racially singled out for violence, Indian-owned businesses will be vandalized, Hindu temples will be hit with bombings and mass shootings: The perpetrators will be black, Latino, or Pakistani, not white, which will lead the media to cover up hate crimes they would otherwise 3 3 eagerly blame on MAGA and Trump, like how the "anti-Asian" hate crimes at the beginning of 3 COVID were shushed up when it was discovered 3 that blacks, not whites, were assaulting Asians. 1 S As someone who wants peace in America, | 3 deplore all violence; and there is only one way 3 to stop it. For their own safety, we must DEI: 3 J Deport Every Indian: 4.05 26 Dec 25 23.7K Views
32 Reposts 16 Quotes 550 Likes 42 Bookmarks
In addition, remember it was not just Indians who were thrown out of Zimbabwe; what is happening in South Africa is equally wrong. Especially considering that Native Americans were pushed aside. Yes, there were what you call ‘founding fathers’, but do not forget the unpaid labor provided by Africans, who still struggle to be accepted as Americans.
By the way, Indians who left other countries ended up being Kash Patel and Rishi Sunak. Indians. You can Google that, even Google’s CEO is an Indian.
I am not an economist but one simple thing you forget when Indians (and possibly some other countries and people from other non-western countries) come to study and work in the US, they are coming without any loans because their countries pay for their education. The result is a win-win for the US.
Are there exceptions? Sure.
Furthermore, the world is interconnected. Countries like India could respond to discriminatory policies or rhetoric against their citizens, which would have economic and diplomatic consequences. Hatred against one group does not make a nation stronger—it weakens its moral and social foundation. Imagine now if India alone puts a ban on American products. Easy for India. Some of us grew up without Coke or Pepsi because we had our own drinks, after Coke had to leave. Don’t play with fire just because of your own hatred against a people who have done well for themselves, while contributing to the US economy.
Want to help the US? Work on developing small town America. Sad to see it dying --which is where culture and belonging can be preserved. Seeing it slowly collapse was painful.
Wish you well. Hope you will move away from the hatred brewing in you. Not good for you or for the US, even if you are able to remove a few thousand Indians or stop them from coming to the US. Even then it is a small and temporary win. For these things are worked out over centuries. Long after you and I are gone from this planet.
May WISDOM win over the hate that is guiding you now.
We need a final solution for pajeets!
Thank you for your excellent summary, Matt. See also this in-depth December 30, 2025 Substack post "H-1b Visas and the Shadow Economy." https://binder2aa.substack.com/p/h-1b-visas-and-the-shadow-economy
Matt,
I've been banging on (21 posts) on the Indian H1-B and all of other alphabet visas for over a year, spurred on by your excellent work. Thank you for what you do.
As a 35-year veteran software engineer I can testify truthfully that most of these 'best and brightest' can't find their own ass with a map and a flashlight. I made a *very* good living as a Pro from Dover at Indian-run companies, because *somebody* competent was needed to clean up the aftermath after these 'best and brightest' did their thing.
Keep banging the drum. I'm starting to think the 283 BILLION dollar a year industry of H1-Bs is immune to anything, including Trump. I feel so sorry for all the poor Gen-Z folks who were told to 'learn to code' and then can't even get an interview because they're not a pajeet.
I pray for America every day.
https://smilink53.substack.com/p/carpet-bombing-assaults-on-h1-b-visas
Matt, while I prepare a comment for another of your posts. This one is clear. It is not about H1 B but Indians. Just acknowledge that. Also, the language here is not journalistic and the so called research is biased and misleading. As some of other commentators are mentioning about 'accents' these are difference anxieties. 'Indians are dumber' is simply putting out your own bias and it is not journalism. Do your research properly and slash the H1 B program, please. But make sure your language is not questionable and if a serious researcher comes, that they can arrive at the same conclusion that you do. That is research. Just a friendly advice.
Cope harder, street shitter.
Matt, it can't be good for if your followers or supporters speak such language. Or possibly these are just bots unleashed by a not so stable mind.
This article comes at a relevant time, making me reflect if judging entire populations based on perceived group IQ alines with universal human rights principles.
So, you are saying that someone who used a "stand in" for the online interviews shows up at work without having gone through the series of in-person interviews that everyone in the last stage of hiring has to go through? I find that hard to believe. Unless every single hiring manager is both Indian and gets a kickback, which I also find hard to believe. Systematic hiring of incompetents violates economic common sense. If someone is a poor fit, be it because they cannot communicate clearly, or cannot do their job competently, the company will lose money.
I’ve witnessed a ton of shenanigans on interviews with these off shore farms. People trying to lip sync because they can speak English, also have seen people not letting their mouth on video because they were not speaking. Not all companies do three rounds of interviews though. Also the biggest portion of this problem are middle and lower level managers just going with the flow. They simply don’t care and just have a position to fill so they don’t lose funding.
Okay, in an off shore farm, it matters little whether English competency is excellent, since they collaborate locally, and mostly communicate with the client in writing. They can use AI to correct bad grammar. Not that I am okay with offshoring jobs, but it is clear that from an employer's perspective the requirements are different. When using an off shore farm, they want low-stakes work done cheap, and cheap matters more than quality. But if I am not mistaken, the author was referring to Indian H1B workers who work in the US alongside non-Indians. In that setting, I cannot believe that poor communication skills could be acceptable, or that there would be this type of sloppy interviewing. I hear many stories of endless rounds of interviews where no hiring happens, so I assumed employers are extra picky, hence my disbelief.
All of the scenarios I’ve witnessed were about getting off shore workers that were trying to get an H1b, and I know that some of these are state side, because I’ve interviewed them. Outside of FAANG most large companies work this way. H1bs that are poorer at English usually just work along side people they can communicate with. Also it’s a myth that h1b’s are cheap labor for companies using them. That’s not true. Usually they pay a firm what they would pay an American maybe even slightly more, but the h1 employee gets probably 25-50% if they are lucky. I’ve never seen an h1b that cost less, they were paid less, but companies using them as fodder aren’t doing it for cost. For h1b’s that are salaried they get paid the same going rate. This goes on all the time on shore in nearly any large company in the US. Most of the companies use these firms because they can quickly replace positions. It’s business, they have relationships with outsourcing firms the same way the do with other vendors. And there’s a nearly endless supply of people wanting to take the role. Not all roles are filled this way for sure but from my experience this is the norm.